Comments on: SBL Greek font just posted http://ntresources.com/blog/?p=462 Dr. Rod Decker's blog for (mostly) New Testament-related discussion. Wed, 01 Sep 2010 01:44:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: SBL Unicode Greek Font | NTGateway http://ntresources.com/blog/?p=462&cpage=1#comment-327 SBL Unicode Greek Font | NTGateway Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:57:06 +0000 http://ntresources.com/blog/?p=462#comment-327 [...] page. There are comments on the Biblical Studies and Technological Tools Blog (Mark Hoffman) and NT Resources Blog (Rod Decker). Tags: Greek Category: Blog  |  Comment (RSS) [...] [...] page. There are comments on the Biblical Studies and Technological Tools Blog (Mark Hoffman) and NT Resources Blog (Rod Decker). Tags: Greek Category: Blog  |  Comment (RSS) [...]

]]> By: Dr. Rod Decker http://ntresources.com/blog/?p=462&cpage=1#comment-324 Dr. Rod Decker Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:11:01 +0000 http://ntresources.com/blog/?p=462#comment-324 John, This is a Unicode font, so you have to tell the OS that you want to type Greek instead of English. If I remember right, you're on a Mac? If so, Use the Input menu to select Greek Polytonic. If you've not been using Unicode, you may have to set it up first. Go here for some help: http://ntresources.com/blog/?p=120 Also see the Deinde blog for more detailed info: http://www.deinde.org/unicode-for-mac/ If Unicode is totally new, you might want to read my paper on using Unicode for biblical studies: NTResources.com/unicode.htm It focuses mostly on Windows, but the concepts are cross-platform and very important. John, This is a Unicode font, so you have to tell the OS that you want to type Greek instead of English. If I remember right, you’re on a Mac? If so, Use the Input menu to select Greek Polytonic. If you’ve not been using Unicode, you may have to set it up first. Go here for some help:

http://ntresources.com/blog/?p=120

Also see the Deinde blog for more detailed info:

http://www.deinde.org/unicode-for-mac/

If Unicode is totally new, you might want to read my paper on using Unicode for biblical studies:

NTResources.com/unicode.htm

It focuses mostly on Windows, but the concepts are cross-platform and very important.

]]> By: joliff http://ntresources.com/blog/?p=462&cpage=1#comment-323 joliff Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:53:46 +0000 http://ntresources.com/blog/?p=462#comment-323 Is everyone getting Greek, I am only getting a nice English font, what am I missing? John Is everyone getting Greek, I am only getting a nice English font, what am I missing? John

]]> By: Jim Darlack http://ntresources.com/blog/?p=462&cpage=1#comment-322 Jim Darlack Sun, 08 Mar 2009 22:54:12 +0000 http://ntresources.com/blog/?p=462#comment-322 Boy, I wish I had the Gentium Basic fonts back when I printed my thesis! Thanks for the heads up! Boy, I wish I had the Gentium Basic fonts back when I printed my thesis! Thanks for the heads up!

]]> By: Dr. Rod Decker http://ntresources.com/blog/?p=462&cpage=1#comment-320 Dr. Rod Decker Sat, 07 Mar 2009 19:39:01 +0000 http://ntresources.com/blog/?p=462#comment-320 I *think* it also came with the last version of Office, so some XP users will also have it. It's in Leopard (Mac OS X 10.5) or Office 2008 for Mac. I didn't discover it in Mac until after the new version of Office, but it may have been there before. I would shudder to see Gentium used with TNR! If for some reason TNRmust be used, better to stick with the TNR polytonic glyphs. What I'll be interested to see is if the Roman glyphs in SBL Greek are usable, of it that will need a "companion" face for English---and if so, which ones will harmonize well. I haven't had time to work with it yet in an actual document. I *think* it also came with the last version of Office, so some XP users will also have it. It’s in Leopard (Mac OS X 10.5) or Office 2008 for Mac. I didn’t discover it in Mac until after the new version of Office, but it may have been there before.

I would shudder to see Gentium used with TNR! If for some reason TNRmust be used, better to stick with the TNR polytonic glyphs.

What I’ll be interested to see is if the Roman glyphs in SBL Greek are usable, of it that will need a “companion” face for English—and if so, which ones will harmonize well. I haven’t had time to work with it yet in an actual document.

]]> By: Peter Gurry http://ntresources.com/blog/?p=462&cpage=1#comment-319 Peter Gurry Sat, 07 Mar 2009 19:31:21 +0000 http://ntresources.com/blog/?p=462#comment-319 I noticed that about Times New Roman not too long ago. Do you know when they did that and what software comes with v. 5? I'm on Vista now so I'm sure it came with that, but I'm wondering what versions of Office have it. It seems like a nice set of polytonic glyphs (the grave and acute accent are a bit harsh), but since I can't stand Times New Roman I wouldn't recommend it. You're right about Gentium though, when used for Latin and Greek it flows well too. I guess I was thinking of Gentium combined with Times New Roman or something. I noticed that about Times New Roman not too long ago. Do you know when they did that and what software comes with v. 5? I’m on Vista now so I’m sure it came with that, but I’m wondering what versions of Office have it. It seems like a nice set of polytonic glyphs (the grave and acute accent are a bit harsh), but since I can’t stand Times New Roman I wouldn’t recommend it.

You’re right about Gentium though, when used for Latin and Greek it flows well too. I guess I was thinking of Gentium combined with Times New Roman or something.

]]> By: Dr. Rod Decker http://ntresources.com/blog/?p=462&cpage=1#comment-318 Dr. Rod Decker Sat, 07 Mar 2009 19:25:12 +0000 http://ntresources.com/blog/?p=462#comment-318 For anyone else checking out Gentium, here's the main page with links to both the regular Gentium and the Gentium Basic fonts. http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_id=Gentium For anyone else checking out Gentium, here’s the main page with links to both the regular Gentium and the Gentium Basic fonts.

http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_id=Gentium

]]> By: Dr. Rod Decker http://ntresources.com/blog/?p=462&cpage=1#comment-317 Dr. Rod Decker Sat, 07 Mar 2009 19:21:36 +0000 http://ntresources.com/blog/?p=462#comment-317 Minion does "flow" well, but so does Gentium. I think Minion has a bit better look due to the lighter stem widths. Gentium is a heavier font. If it were in printed form (i.e., from a typesetter), Minion might be a better choice, but for the typical user printer (laser or inkjet), especially if duplicated on a photocopier, then Gentium often reproduces better. As for the rho, perhaps it has been fixed by now. Changes in some of these standard fonts don't seem to get announced. E.g., Times New Roman is now fully polytonic for Greek as of v. 5, but previous versions were only monotonic. Minion does “flow” well, but so does Gentium. I think Minion has a bit better look due to the lighter stem widths. Gentium is a heavier font. If it were in printed form (i.e., from a typesetter), Minion might be a better choice, but for the typical user printer (laser or inkjet), especially if duplicated on a photocopier, then Gentium often reproduces better.

As for the rho, perhaps it has been fixed by now. Changes in some of these standard fonts don’t seem to get announced. E.g., Times New Roman is now fully polytonic for Greek as of v. 5, but previous versions were only monotonic.

]]> By: Peter Gurry http://ntresources.com/blog/?p=462&cpage=1#comment-316 Peter Gurry Sat, 07 Mar 2009 19:19:53 +0000 http://ntresources.com/blog/?p=462#comment-316 Thanks for the heads up about Gentium Basic. I hadn't seen that until today. Thanks for the heads up about Gentium Basic. I hadn’t seen that until today.

]]> By: Dr. Rod Decker http://ntresources.com/blog/?p=462&cpage=1#comment-315 Dr. Rod Decker Sat, 07 Mar 2009 19:17:22 +0000 http://ntresources.com/blog/?p=462#comment-315 The relationship between TT and OT is a bit blurred. As I understand it, a TT font can have OT features. There are technical differences between the two, but I think some of that amounts to the icon used (at least in Windows, if the font has a digital signature, it gets the OT icon, if not, then the regular TT one). Cardo, e.g., uses OT for Hebrew vowel placement, but it's a TT font. I assume the same is true for SBL Hebrew. This new SBL Greek font is the first (that I know of) to have similar OT features. Of course one must have software that can take advantage of these extras. Most word processors do not. InDesign has some of the best support, I'm told. The relationship between TT and OT is a bit blurred. As I understand it, a TT font can have OT features. There are technical differences between the two, but I think some of that amounts to the icon used (at least in Windows, if the font has a digital signature, it gets the OT icon, if not, then the regular TT one). Cardo, e.g., uses OT for Hebrew vowel placement, but it’s a TT font. I assume the same is true for SBL Hebrew. This new SBL Greek font is the first (that I know of) to have similar OT features. Of course one must have software that can take advantage of these extras. Most word processors do not. InDesign has some of the best support, I’m told.

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